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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2008, 03:57:42 AM » |
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so what if zune is a PMP? They all match iPod touch in hardware except for its fancy touch screen and accelerometer. I mean, isn't that why its so popular? Because of access to so many cool things over the Internet using wifi makes it such a great and popular PMP. Zune gets OWNED compared to iPod touch.
Lazy M$, they're gonna sit and do nothing about that. I've heard they will add marketplace to the device in 2009, but that's too too late for the use of its wifi. The touch would definently kill zune by then.
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2008, 06:01:13 AM » |
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The Zune is a half-way house between the Classic and the Touch. Trying to navigate the interwibbles with just the zunepad would get tedious, esp when it has to double up as a textual input device as well- after all, how many of us hate using the 360's anologue stick for IM? Even if Microsoft did decide to build a browser, it would only really be practical on the Zune80's screen. Once the Zune adds a browser it starts trying too hard to be a PDA, which Microsoft already has a strong standing in. Quite frankly I think a purely WiFi-based internet solution is a bit weak, which could be why I don't see all that many people with the Touch in the first place. The Marketplace is a more sensible addition to the Zune, and if you're really killing for a Zune-based 'Touch-killer', wait till WinMo7 is out later this year.
Fact is, if Microsoft start adding PDA/Smartphone functionality to their Zune line, they undermine Windows Mobile. WinMo7 should be a massive step forwards in terms of usability and interface, and will allow them to concentrate on more media-centric functionality for the Zune brand.
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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2008, 06:17:34 AM » |
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i personally think the zune very much needs an internet app....simply because where i live. there is nowhere in my town where there isnt at least a little wifi signal from somewhere.....and there all unprotected. and im not the kind of person who has his laptop with him all the time. but i do have my zune constantly....
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2008, 08:17:45 AM » |
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i still believe the touch screen zphone would be possible.
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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2008, 11:15:10 AM » |
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Its possible, but only with the second gen (zunepad)  The center button would bring up that menu. Using that, users can find their favorites with the favorites menu, and in it mark a site as their favorite. The new site opens up a new "tab", if there is room. There can only be 10 tabs at once, and the page completely reloads when a tab is switched. Users can check up on what hotspot they are using and its strengh, too. Also, music can be selected for easy browsing. In addition, users can check up on their open tabs. When "new page" is clicked, a little menu (shown) would pop up. Users would slide letters side-to-side and center-click to select. Pressing the up button would enter the url selected. To zoom, users would PRESS the zunepad up and down (in and out.) To move around, users would SLIDE the zunepad around. To switch tabs, users would PRESS the left and right buttons. Using this, you wouldn't be able to input anything. If it were possible, it would be very basic.  (I do this kidn of stuff for fun.) |
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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2008, 05:29:40 PM » |
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Sorry to be a buzz kill, but a web browser is physically impossible using XNA... Wifi is only used for Adhoc Zune to Zune only(as stated by MS), and for the fore-seeable future will not be changing. An onscreen keyboard is very possible on either Zune 30 or Zune 80, I have created one for a basic chat application, and for the most part it works. (I'd release the "game" but there's no documentation on networking with the Zune at the moment)
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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2008, 06:14:25 PM » |
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I thought it used G. I now ill have to speed test the damn thing with some wireless syncing.
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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2008, 10:29:18 PM » |
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Also (i posted this as a seperate post much later than my previous, so its seperate)
Think about cell phones as a web browser. Almost every cell phone is now a web browser. Why can't the zune be one? Practical or not (it really isnt....) it should be included as a last resort for some people. Practical? No Useable? yes. Useful? Depends on the situation.
Also, what if the wifi was used as a wireless way to access the Zune marketplace?
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« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2008, 08:08:25 AM » |
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Why is this still being discussed?! A Zune browser would only viably work on one model- the Zune30 doesn't have suitable controls and the 4/8 have tiny screens. Microsoft would need to build a new browser and interface (based on the mediocre IEMobile) and then create a WiFi access point management system just to get you on the net in the first place. Even once this is done, the experience would be akin to browsing the internet using a laptop with just the touchpad and on-screen keyboard for text input, and all this on a 320x240 screen?! There are a million devices that will do mobile internet a lot more comfortably- even in ripoff Britain you could get an N700 for £70 a while back.
I find it ironic that 1/2 the threads on this forum seem to relate to people complaining about how Microsoft have failed to innovate or add new features quickly enough with the Zune, and yet we're able to lament how they haven't wasted subtantial amounts of time developing a whole browser and internet experience for one of the models?! Yes, use the WiFi for more internet-centric features but no, for goodness sake, don't make a friggin' browser.
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« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2008, 08:12:36 AM » |
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yes make a browser....theres totally no harm at all in it. you just might not want to use it.....
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« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2008, 08:17:30 AM » |
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Did you not read the 2nd paragraph in my last post?
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« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2008, 08:28:42 AM » |
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the second papragraph of your post has no useful information in it at all....its simply your very biased opinion
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« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2008, 08:34:40 AM » |
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No, it's based around objective facts- you stated there's 'no harm' in making a browser that many people won't want to use, whereas I stated that features like that take months to develop when the resources could be applied to mich more useful features that more people would use.
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« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2008, 10:20:34 AM » |
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If they designed the keyboard like the one used in a PSP, then it would work very well...
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« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2008, 01:33:16 PM » |
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It is true that making a browser would take resources, but what are they being used for now? Patches and releases that don't even do anything? There's no harm in HAVING a browser, there's harm in making one. but the question is, how much harm would it do? I think it would be a useful feature for people like me who don't want to take their laptop everywhere.
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« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2008, 03:05:50 PM » |
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You're right, having a browser doesn't cause any harm whatsoever, but I think you answered your own question- if the Zune team takes this long to develop simple features such as gapless playback and a meta-data editor, how are they gonna cope with making a browser?  |
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« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2008, 06:41:42 PM » |
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why not use the xna to make one ourselves? ittl take microsoft 6 months to release a crappy one anyway
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