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« on: September 30, 2009, 03:54:54 PM »

I want to make it perfectly clear that I do not condone piracy. If you choose to use this information to deny copyright owners of their deserved income, that is your choice but it doesn't mean it's right. At the same time, I believe that fair is fair. If you purchase a DVD and retain it in your possession, I think it's fair to put it on your device, and to make backup copies (in part or in entirety) so you do not  have to purchase the disk at full price again, just because it gets scratched, broken, whatever. Kids can be hell on DVD's. Make a copy. Let them destroy the copy and make another from the original if and when that happens. DO NOT upload copies to the internet. DO NOT give away copies. DO NOT sell copies. DO NOT retain a copy for yourself if you sell or otherwise give up the original. This is important.

This method I am about to show you, tends to be much faster than other methods posted in the forum and generally gives much less trouble with audio sync and aspect issues. You'll need DVD Decrypter: http://www.mrbass.org/dvdrip/ and Any Video Converter free http://download.cnet.com/Any-Video-Converter/3000-2194_4-10661456.html

Keep in mind that most Disney DVD's Pixar, etc. will resist decryption fiercely. Also keep in mind that most commercial DVD's these days are dual-layer. (DVD-9, or just over 8gb) The only reasons to NOT copy the entire DVD, menus and all, is if you want to put the main movie only, on a regular 4.7gb DVD. Maybe you don't want the extra stuff, maybe you don't have a dual-layer burner, or dual-layer disks. Whatever the reason, if you DO have a dual-layer burner and dual-layer disks, and you DO want to copy the menus, special features, etc., I will get to that later since the method will be different even though it still involves using only FREE software.

Right now, I want to put the DVD main movie on my HDD for the purpose of watching it as-is off of my computer, without the DVD, or for converting it for other purposes such as my zune, iPod, etc., and I don't want to pay for bloated software to accomplish this task.

So.. I pop in a region 1 American commercial DVD of "2 fast 2 furious" and hit "cancel" when that crap comes up(coming from the DVD) about installing Interactual Player. Don't do that. Trust me, it's not worth it.

Then, I open DVD Decrypter already installed on my PC. It automatically detects (usually correctly) the VOB files that make up the main movie. Don't worry about what the other files are right now. You can see where the ripped file is going to end up under "destination" (location can be changed if you wish).

Now go to DVD decrypter's settings < File mode < file splitting, and choose "NONE". Then go to Mode and choose IFO. Then click the stream processing tab and enable stream processing. You will see a list of audio tracks. If you don't speak french, spanish, whatever, then why keep those soundtracks at all? Same goes for subtitles. I uncheck all of those and leave only one audio track checked. I usually just leave only the English AC3 2-channel audio track and of course, the first one on the list, which is the video. But in the case of this particular DVD, the 2-channel track is the directors comments(and DVD decrypter tells me so)  so I only leave AC3 6-channel English and the video itself. All other streams are unchecked. Now we're ready to rip. Click the graphic that depicts a DVD to HDD to start the rip.


After the rip starts and you see where it says "read errors", if it remains at ZERO, you're in good shape.

In just about 7 minutes (on my machine) the operation has been successfully completed. Now navigate to the folder that was listed under "destination". Don't worry about the IFO file (the small sized file) in that folder right now. You will see a VOB file. A SINGLE .VOB file in there. It will be the largest file. In the case of this DVD and my stream processing choices, I end up with a VOB with a size of 4,704,312 KB, or 4.48GB. That is your movie! It's unencrypted, and unaltered in quality. It will look and sound exactly the same as the DVD as if, from the DVD menu, you chose ENGLISH audio, and no subtitles. At this point, it really depends on what players you have installed, and what file association settings you have, as to whether or not you can play it from the HDD. WMP will NOT play VOB files, it doesn't like the .VOB extension. But if you set windows to show the extension, and change it to .MPG, WMP will play it because it really is just an MPEG-2 video stream and an AC3 audio stream in a VOB container. WMP doesn't do it justice however, and the time slider will be useless. I don't have to do this because I have Nero Showtime set to play .VOB files and it does so on double-click. Anyway, I play the file. It looks good, sounds good, audio is in sync, in English, Great!

From that point on, you can use that VOB as input into your favorite converter/burner that accepts VOB files and create a DVD, or an AVI using the codec of your choice, make an MP4 for your iPod or zune, WMV for your zune, whatever you want!  If I choose to create a DVD of just the main movie, I use the VOB as input into Nero Vision, (came with Nero 7 Ultra which I am using) but you can use whatever program you wish to accomplish that. Nero vision won't bother to re-encode the VOB since it is already the right format, and already will fit on my 4.7GB blank DVD. The result is the same quality as the original DVD and a really fast finish with no menus, subtitles, etc. Just the movie in 6 channel English.

To re-encode (convert) the movie for use on my Zune 120, (should work with 30, 80, and HD too) I open Any Video Converter, click "add files", navigate to the VOB file we just copied to the HDD. Once AVC accepts it, you will see the duration, frame size, and frames per second. In this case, 30fps actually means 29.976 or something like that.

AVC says my VOB file is 720X480. This just happens to also be a 4:3 or "full screen" DVD. In AVC, under "profile", I choose "customized WMV movie" if my target format is for Zune or a number of other uses. For that customized WMV profile, I click where it says "video codec". I choose WMV9. Where it says "video size" I choose a size that matches my VOB. In this case, 720X480. I set my video bit rate to 1500. Under A/V Sync, "default" usually works fine. Then in AVC, I go to edit < options < audio. Under MP3 parameters, I choose CBR, volume=default, quality=5 then click "OK". (these are time-saving settings. Higher quality or VBR will take much more time to complete). You only have to do that once and settings will stay that way unless you choose otherwise. Alternately, you can choose "customized MP4" and set the output settings to be within zune AND iPod specs if you want to use the file on both devices. Just be sure to use the h264 codec and not the mpeg4 codec.


You can set AVC to output the resulting file to any location you choose. Once you're sure of where the output is going, and your settings are selected, click ENCODE. Kick back, relax, and be patient. Transcoding video is a CPU/memory intensive operation. It should be done while the computer has no other apps open, no scheduled tasks, and no connection to the web. The amount of time it takes will vary depending on your machine/processor (fast dual-core is better than slower quad-core) background apps, priority, and operating system. XP will usually be faster at this than vista. Either way, you can count on it taking at least 1 to 5 hours, so relax.

OK. So, a while later, the AVC operation is complete. I now have a 1.2GB WMV which will sync with the zune without further conversion and looks/sounds great. The entire process took just over an hour on my 3.2ghz AMD dual-core. Any questions?



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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2009, 04:08:51 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2009, 02:11:33 AM »

I thought I might add that not all DVD's are quite that simple, but many are. Some use funky settings for aspect and sometimes come out stretched or squashed after conversion in spite of using the same dimensions for your output file but this is somewhat rare. If that happens you'll have to compensate by changing your output settings for dimensions and try again. Just be sure NOT to exceed these specs to avoid the long, frustrating "conversion at sync":

Windows Media Video (WMV)

Video Settings:

Codec: Windows Media Video 9
Simple Profile ? up to 320?240, 10 frames per second and 1.5 Mbps
Main Profile ? up to 720?480, 30 frames per second and 3 Mbps
Main Profile ? 720?576 pixels resolution (up to 25 frames per second) and ?? Mbps
Constant Bit Rate (CBR) or Variable Bit Rate (VBR)

Audio Settings:

Codec: Windows Media Audio 9.0 or higher
Up to 192 kbps audio bit rate, 44.1 kHz sample rate, stereo, CBR

Note: High-Definition (HD) WMV files or any WMV which is not in specs, even if it's just the audio that is out of specs, you can expect a wait while it converts at sync. Note that specs for the zune HD are a bit different and it can play most HD WMV files without conversion.

Now, for those of you who want a perfect copy of your DVD so that it is no different than the original, including menu navigation, special features, etc., (except that the copy protection will be gone!) nothing could be easier. In most cases, you're going to need a dual-layer capable burner and dual-layer blank DVD's. (they aren't cheap). The 2 fast 2 furious DVD IS a dual-layer disk with a total capacity of 8,476,145,664 bytes. An ISO image of this disk is 7.89 GB. That obviously will not fit on a 4.7GB DVD but it will go on a dual-layer DVD. So, if you have no problem with that, let's continue.

Open DVD decrypter with your DVD in the drive, only this time, choose mode < ISO read. Then let DVD decrypter do it's thing by clicking the DVD to HDD graphic. This will create an ISO image of the DVD, and a MDS file in the same output folder. IMPORTANT!!! DO NOT DELETE THE MDS FILE OR MOVE IT. It contains important information to be read by your burning software, regarding the location of the layer breaks. (where the data on one layer ends and where it begins on the next layer). Once you have your ISO image on the HDD, you can use any burning software that supports burning an ISO image to disk. Don't make the mistake of creating a data dvd with an iso image file on it. (ooops!). Better yet, let DVD decrypter do the burning for you. To do that, choose mode < ISO write. Put your dual-layer blank DVD in your drive, tell DVD decrypter which ISO file you want to use, and go! The result will be a DVD that works just like the original except that there is NO copyright protection applied to the copy. Nice! Now you can put away your original, leaving it sparkling clean and new, and wear out the copy instead! This is great when it comes to kids. No more destroying of your expensive DVD's. Give the kids the copy to destroy!
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2009, 10:17:18 PM »

I recommend using 640x480 for any 4:3 source, regardless of 720x480 DVD source. As for widescreen stuff, it's up to you. Stick with 720x480, or calculate the exact proportions with regards to the aspect ratio. 720x480 is just the usual standard for NTSC DVDs. It's not like it's ever actually 720x480 when played.
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2009, 01:46:20 AM »

That's funny. I just thought of that myself and was coming here to post it. You are correct. There's no reason at all to convert the 4:3 aspect VOB using the same size for the output settings. In fact, the zune's(30, 80, and 120) 4:3 screen resolution is 320X240 so you can use that size for your output settings and you won't be able to tell the difference between that one and one encoded at 640X480 or 720X480. They will look nearly the same when played back on the zune.

There's nothing wrong with using the original dimensions, in fact it's just easier so that the aspect comes out correct but for downsizing a 4:3 video for playback on a 4:3 screen, it's a no-brainer. By all means, downsize it to 640X480 or even 320X240. That will result in a smaller file size, taking up less room on your zune.

Next, I intend to show you how to deal with a few different types of widescreen DVD's since anyone who is a movie enthusiast would not be caught dead watching or owning a movie which has been hacked up to fit a 4:3 screen. I avoid buying those at all. The movie we just did was given to me for free.
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 03:14:45 PM »

Thanks I will try this method.(80GB device)  I used the free Zune Video Converter(converted to mp4), and it caused my video to freeze up / stutter 45mins-1hr into the movie on my zune.  I believe I also used my pc while it was converting, which could've caused the problem also.
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2009, 03:50:59 PM »

Alright. Please everyone, try to come back and provide some feedback. Let me know how it turns out for you. I hoping to soon have some time to tell you how to use this software for other types of conversions but I'm working 7 days a week for now.
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2009, 09:52:04 AM »

I tried the AVC program and it seemed to encode properly, I adjusted the settings to your specifications (after ripping with DVD decrypter to 1 large VOB file).  It took an hour to complete a 2hour movie using the WMV9 format. However when I went to the output folder the only thing that was there a a 5kb WMV file...so basically nothing.  I tried it a few more times, again seemed to encode and finish after an hour but nothing was there. (My settings were 720x480  Video bitrate: 1500 codec:WMV9 Audio: volume normalization checked - CBR level 5)

I finally used the mp4 format 720x480 which took about 4-5 hours (I have an older computer), and seemed to work(played fine on my pc), I had some trouble synching it this morning to my zune it got stuck @ 50%.  I'll try to synch it again when I get home later.  I had to rush off to work, so I only gave it about 10-15 mins.  I'm not sure why the wmv9 format didn't work though Sad  I can play wmv files but couldn't convert it.  Maybe I need to download the proper codec?? 

I have an XP machine and windows media player 11.  Also should note that I tried the Cucusoft free trial, and was able to convert a movie to a wmv9 file, I just didn't like that watermark in the middle of my screen. LOL.
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2009, 05:40:47 AM »

hmmmm.. I don't know what to say. I had similar troubles with Free Zune Video Converter, but NOT with AVC. If you have WMP 11 you already have the necessary WMV and WMA codecs. I'm also running XP (Media Center Edition 2005) and I have WMP 11.

Did you close AVC when it finished, and refresh the output folder, or even try playing the WMV?

Like I said before though, you can use basically any software that turns out to work for you, to convert the VOB. Also, if this DVD you are working with is "full screen" or 4:3 aspect you might want to try the conversion again, but adjust the output dimensions to 640X480 or even 320X240. That's all I can think of right now.
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2009, 10:42:41 AM »

Tried it again...seems like the A/V Synch setting I chose was the culprit.  Undecided  I changed it from 'default' to 'basic', after that it produces a wmv9 file, although it was a bit choppy.  I also think it has something something to do with my computer and resources being taken from other programs.  I think I just need to tweak a few more settings and start encoding after a fresh reboot.  Smiley

Thanks again for the step-by-step, screenshot tutorial!!  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2009, 03:21:15 PM »

We are using a fairly high bit rate. The "choppy" affect you are seeing could just be that there's not enough available CPU cycles, or "processing power" for playback on your computer.  I doubt that the A/V sync method had anything to do with the first encode not making a file. Sometimes if a DVD goes out of sync when converted to something else, changing the A/V sync method solves the problem. That's all that is there for. But yeah, I overlooked that part. For DVD's it's better to use "BASIC" for A/V sync. Try syncing that "choppy" WMV  to your zune. I have a feeling it won't be choppy played back on the zune. Also make sure you are matching the source framerate for your output settings.

You say you have an "older" computer so it's really important to keep your startup as clean as possible, eliminating all but the absolute necessary startup items. That will leave more memory for encoding/playback. Also, go offline and disable your antivirus or any other programs that run scheduled tasks in the background. Once that's done, go into AVC's settings and set the priority to "above normal" and if you're limited on RAM and CPU power, make sure your thread setting is no higher than 2. If you have a good multi-core you can set threads to 4 for a dual-core or 8 for a quad-core.
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2009, 06:23:36 AM »

Sorry for double posting but it was necessary. I got a PM about a sync issue. I think I will get some more, so instead of answering all of them...

Sometimes problems with converting do occur. It's not the software's fault necessarily...

When I run into issues like audio sync, or other issues, there is a tool I use to shed light on the cause of the sync issue. I know this is frustrating, and I know this takes time and effort to resolve. I am the type of person which, when faced with a problem like this, I don't give up, I continue to have patience and it usually pays off. This is how I have come to know what I know, but it has taken many years.  I hope to make your efforts take less time by providing info on what I have learned over many years. The DVD manufacturers don't want to make it easy for you, so it isn't easy, but it can still be done.

With that said, download this software tool to examine your already decrypted VOB file on your hard drive. You know, the VOB file you have already decrypted, and wish to convert. Use the tool to examine the VOB. It will show some details that can tell me how to fix the audio sync issue. Without it, I am blind as to the cause, and so are you. It's going to take some effort but it's worth it. First go to this page

http://www.headbands.com/gspot/v26x/index.htm

and download Gspot by clicking the first link under the "date" column. That will prompt you to save a ZIP file to your computer. Once downloaded you will have to extract the zip file to another (empty, new) folder. I recommend extracting the zip contents to a folder located wherever you will be able to remember. Once extracted, right-click the "gspot" icon in that folder and choose send to desktop. That will create a shortcut on your desktop. Of course, once you open Gspot by clicking on the shortcut or the orginal, you can choose FILE < Open, then navigate to your problem VOB and choose OPEN. Gspot will take a few seconds or a minute and give you results that look similar to this:



I know it looks complicated, and it is, but there is information there that can shed light on aspect or letterboxing problems, or video/audio quality, or audio sync issues you are having. Get the tool, download it, use it on your VOB, use it on your messed up output file. Record the results of both so they can be compared. Often, on the DVD's that give audio sync issues, there will be a difference in the gspot results, between pics per second, and frames per second. This is significant! It's the cause of your sync issues in most cases! This tool will even calculate resize dimensions for you, and even take into account for codecs that use square pixels as opposed to the rectangular pixels that DVD's use.

 I will have to get back to you on what the results mean and what to do about it. I am tired. I work every day for now. No weekends for me. Do your homework, get the tool, use it, and I promise I will return to tell you what the results mean. Believe me. Without it, it's like trying to sail, for your first sailing experience, from San Diego to South Africa without a compass or anything else to guide you.

No single "does it all" application is going to replace what you learn here. Once you learn it, you can use these apps to successfully convert almost any DVD. Run into a problem? well then learn what causes it, and fix it yourself! It's the only way. No app is going to do it for you.

Thankfully, all the tools you need to resolve these issues, and get the job done, are FREE! and many of them are OPEN SOURCE so if you're a programmer, you can modify them to make them more useful. For now, g'nite all.
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2009, 12:37:18 AM »

**BUMP**  Grin

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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2009, 03:13:27 AM »

Oops, I tripped and BUMPED something. I'm off of work now for a few months. I would be happy to offer my years of accumulated knowledge on ripping, converting, etc.  Wink

After all, I'm sure there are many new zune users out there who aren't getting nearly the potential or enjoyment from their Zunes and media collection that they should be getting. Don't cripple your Zune. Speak up!

If you're a spammer offering a solution for a price, don't make us smack your as, OK? Just move along to some other forum.
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2010, 08:18:44 PM »

  I've had my zune hd for a few weeks now and I just want to put videos on it, it's getting really frustrating that I havn't been able to put a single dvd on it yet. I can't get digital copies to work either.
When I start the dvd decrypter it transfers 1,388 kb, then retries start counting up next to read errors. After 20 retries an I/O error pops up.

please help

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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2010, 03:09:50 PM »

Like I said before, there are some DVD encryption schemes that DVD decrypter cannot crack. Sorry about that, but it is free. There are some others that  you pay for that work every time, but it's a year subscription. I can't remember the name of that one but if you have a lot of DVD's that DVD decrypter can't crack, the program that has a subscription really works so it might be worth your while to pay for that.
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